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Convince Me There’s A God – Thermodynamics

Earth and Stars After leaving atheism for theism 42 years ago, I’m answering some of the most-asked questions from atheists: What happened to me? Did I lose my mind? Was I on drugs? How can an atheist possibly become a theist? Was I just a bad atheist? Is that what happened?

I admit that I brought this on myself. In 1970 I “dared” God to appear on my radio talk show if He “really” existed. God did not appear on my show that day, but He did several months later. I asked God to convince me He existed and He did just what I asked Him to do. He began the process of revealing Himself to me on my radio show.

I interviewed Dr. Henry Morris in early 1971 for the purpose of making fun of his belief in a worldwide flood and the existence of Noah’s Ark on a mountain range in Turkey. What Dr. Morris shared with me that day led to months of investigation to find out if what he told me was true.

We’ve already looked at serious questions about the Theory of Evolution and considered the Cosmological Argument, the Teleological Argument, Cosmic Fine-Tuning, and the Law of Causality. Today, we’ll look at The Laws of Thermodynamics.

I used to trust in science for answers to my questions about the universe, the earth, and life. That’s what I learned in school and it seemed to be a solid way of thinking and living.  However, even though I trusted science for information about life, I knew little about science. So, when I heard that science might support belief in the existence of God I wanted to know more. Even though I was an atheist, I was a journalist and searching out the truth is what a journalist does – wherever truth takes them.

Dr. Morris spoke about the Laws of Thermodynamics and its importance to understanding origins. Thermodynamics is the “physics that deals with the mechanical action or relations of heat” (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, 1991).

The history of Thermodynamics as a scientific discipline goes back to the 17th century, but took off in the 19th century with scientists like Sadi Carnot, William Rankine, Rudolf Clausius, Emile Clapeyron, and William Thomson.

I learned that there are four basic laws or principles for Thermodynamics – starting with Zeroth and moving to the First, Second and Third Laws. What I remember learning was that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant and though it can change from one form to another, it cannot be created or destroyed. Dr. Morris called it the “principle of conservation.”

What I found most interesting was the Second Law of Thermodynamics which states that disorder increases (also known as the Law of Increased Entropy). Dr. Morris called it the “principle of disintegration.” While the quantity of of energy remains the same (First Law), the quality of energy deteriorates gradually over time (Second Law). Entropy increases as usable energy decreases and unusable energy increases.  That leads to an increase in disorganization, randomness and chaos. Dr. Morris believed the Second Law of Thermodynamics disproved “evolution.”

“The very terms themselves express contradictory concepts. The word “evolution” is of course derived from a Latin word meaning “out-rolling”. The picture is of an outward-progressing spiral, an unrolling from an infinitesimal beginning through ever broadening circles, until finally all reality is embraced within. “Entropy,” on the other hand, means literally “in-turning.” It is derived from the two Greek words en (meaning “in”) and trope (meaning “turning”). The concept is of something spiraling inward upon itself, exactly the opposite concept to “evolution.” Evolution is change outward and upward, entropy is change inward and downward.” (Evolution, Thermodynamics, and Entropy, by Henry Morris, Ph.D.,

So, what does this have to do with proving the existence of God? I was taught in high school and college that the universe is eternal and infinite. However, I learned from a study of the Second Law of Thermodynamics that energy deteriorates over time. If the universe was truly eternal, it would have already run out of energy and we would not exist. Since the universe is running out of energy every second but still has energy left for heat and work in our universe, it goes to prove that it had a beginning.

Evolutionists were not sitting idly by as the Laws of Thermodynamics were being discussed by theists as proof for God’s existence. For example, biologist Harold Blum wrote in the early 1950’s about reconciling the Second Law of Thermodynamics with organic evolution (Time’s Arrow and Evolution, Princeton University Press, 1951). Even earlier than Blum was Dr. Alfred Lotka, who wrote Elements of Physical Biology in 1924 dealing with evolutionary thermodynamics. The 1965 article by Jack Kirkaldy, Thermodynamics of Terrestrial Evolution, is also good to read for background.

Other arguments I remember that opposed the idea of the Second Law of Thermodynamics disproving evolution were:

  • Exceptions to the Second Law are possible because it’s only a statistical statement
  • Second Law doesn’t apply to living systems
  • Second Law doesn’t apply to open systems
  • Second Law doesn’t apply to other parts of the universe

The Laws of Thermodynamics did not prove to me that God exists, but were a strong argument that the universe had a beginning. Interestingly, the Bible starts with that very point – “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Dr. Morris and other scientists who believed in God used the Laws of Thermodynamics as part of their argument for the existence of God. If God did not Create the heavens and the earth, what did? What started everything? I was pointed to these words from the ancient Bible to answer that question – “By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.” (Hebrews 11:3)

I needed a lot of convincing and God had much to show me. In our next study about the existence of God – we will look at the Law of Morality.

In Christ’s Love and Grace,

Mark McGee

Faith Defense

“Scripture taken from the New King James Version. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.”

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7 thoughts on “Convince Me There’s A God – Thermodynamics

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  2. What’s even worse for the atheist is when you combine the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Naturalism states that the physical world is an isolated system. No energy enters or leaves. The second law states that the energy is irreversibly winding down, so the physical world cannot be infinite in the past. The first law states that an isolated system cannot gain energy, so it cannot be finite, either!

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  4. Sorry, unconvinced but believe that you have the right to your beliefs. I would venture to say that this Army and state run collegiate could go a few rounds with a Harvard educated theologian and still come away a strong anti-theist. So far NO ONE has been able to get past the ‘no evidence’ thing and if they did it wasn’t because of any proof, it was excellent debating skill.
    You were just a theist in the making, sorry but a confident, scientifically thinking atheist cannot be won to a side of no evidence unless he WANTS to go there! Look inside yourself and you’ll find that answer.

    • No evidence! Seriously? You find no evidence at all in theism? Yes, you do have the right to your beliefs. I respect that. What surprises me is that you find no evidence at all in theism. That sounds more like an emotional reaction than a reasonable one. One of the reasons I’m sharing my journey from atheism to theism is because of the evidences that led me there.

      I do agree with you that I was a “theist in the making.” I just didn’t know it at the time. One of the amazing truths I’ve realized since becoming a follower of Jesus Christ is that He chose me for Himself. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.” (Ephesians 1:3-6) It is quite extraordinary and humbling to realize that God chose us to belong to Him before He created the worlds.

      If we had spoken about this before 1971, I would have agreed with you. I had no desire to want “to go there” as you put it. I enjoyed fighting the good fight of atheism and used my radio talk show to get out the word about how ridiculous it was to believe in a “god.” I had no desire to change at all. I was confident in my beliefs as an atheist. I was a “scientifically thinking atheist,” so there’s one person I know who was “won” to the other side. However, that other side is not one of “no evidence,” as you say.

      Thank you for reading the post and I hope you’ll return again for the next post about my journey through the evidence.

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